wolfmanspeaks ([info]wolfmanspeaks) wrote,

Why I HATE Michigan; and I don't mean the state.

I decided to interrupt the interviews with Bob Wolfer to write a column that finally needs to be printed so that University of Michigan fans can finally understand why they are hated. Granted this hate is demonstrated by most passionately by Spartans like myself, and that will be the focus of this article, but there are other schools in the area. Ohio State, Notre Dame, Penn State to name a few.

Let me first of all start out by saying that there are layers of tolerance that I have for particular Michigan fans. First let us examine the most tolerable. Those are students and alumni of the University of Michigan who do nothing more outside of root for their team. If one can look past their repulsive (and many times undeserved) arrogance, one can simply understand the desire that one would feel to root for the team representing their Alma matter. For the most part, these fans have respectful qualities.

Second, are the far worse Michigan fans who root for Michigan, gloat about Michigan, act as if Michigan athletes are some form of maize and blue gods, yet have NO connection to the university. AT ALL. These fans have simply adopted Michigan as "their" team, although there really is justification to this. In fact, one can be surprised if these types of fans can name a mere handful of players on "their" team.

Third, and unquestionably the worst, are people who either attend or have attended other institutions that often play Michigan, yet are still "Michigan fans." These types of fans are the most intolerable because such people seem to put their "loyalty" to their team on rent. Simply put, when their school plays Michigan, and Michigan is victorious, it's "Hail to the victors" as they rub it in their fellow students’ faces. Yet when Michigan falls to their school, they feel perfectly justified in participating in the victory celebrations with their fellow students.

These are your three basic types of Michigan fans. I will now examine each of them more in depth beginning with the most former type of fan that I have mentioned.

As stated before, Michigan fans that actually have got to Michigan or are presently going to Michigan can be classified as the least hated. Though there is still much to be said for these fans. First, a trait of arrogance exists throughout all of them. We Spartans know this all to well when we are expected to believe such moronic statements such as "[Michigan State] is like our pesky little brother/sister". Or the more idiotic: "We don't really care about you guys, we care about beating Ohio State." This assumed superiority breeds the type of hatred that these types of Michigan fans claim not to understand. It really is quite a simple concept, and on that point it confuses me that the people of the "9th Ivy League University" cannot figure out this simple fact.

Second, you have the Michigan fans that have no connection to the university. Though they lack a connection, they will NEVER hesitate to gloat all the same, and actually more, than those who actually have a connection to the university. What is humorous however, is the struggle that these fans engage in when their lack of connection is called into question. Being a life-long Michigan State fan, I find it fun to ask a gloating Michigan fan a simple question: "what year did you graduate from Michigan?" 9 of 10 times this question is not answered immediately with a date, but with a form babbling that defines stupidity. That is to say, they will engage in some far-off explanation that connects them to the university. It resembles a man trying to convince a lottery winner that he is somehow a distant relative. "Well, all my friends go to Michigan." "My parents [who still have no connection] always cheered for Michigan when I grew up." Or the most revealing of their "loyalty", "Well, Michigan usually wins."

Finally, there are the most detestable fans that attend different institutions. I specifically know of three Michigan fans that attend or once attended Michigan State and it is simply detesting. These are the people who will pretend to passionately root for Michigan State against a team like Wisconsin or Purdue in order to "fit in". However, once Michigan comes to town, all bets are off. Suddenly all we get to hear from these people is how great Michigan is and how badly "'WE' are going to beat 'YOU GUYS'". When Michigan wins these people are on cloud nine making sure just about every Michigan State student is reminded of the game's result. But when Michigan loses, these people, rather than hide in disgrace, join the celebration with outlandish justifications such as "well, I root for both teams" or "well, I go to State." We don't buy it, not even for a nickel. Unlike the Michigan fan base, we at Michigan State don't allow you to negotiate your loyalty.

Of course at the root of all of this hatred is the gloating. But more than the gloating is the fact that Michigan fans want to have it both ways. They can dish it out, but like any kitten in a tiger suit, they can't take it. This is to say they attempt to limit an intelligent conversation about Michigan and Michigan State athletics to their presently more successful football program. If you're a Michigan State fan trying to shift the conversation to basketball, you'll be immediately informed or reminded that "We [Michigan fans] don't care about basketball." This is an interesting comment given the amount of gloating I had to endure during the "Fab 5" era, now known as the "cheating" era. It's clear to anyone with a brain. Michigan fans only "care" about those things that they can gloat about.

Recently I took the time to go to a Michigan basketball game and was just astounded by how quickly Michigan fans will abandon their teams if said teams are not nationally ranked. Walking into Crisler Arena, I couldn't help thinking of the similarities between this arena and the Roman Coliseum. A venue once so full of vibrance and excitement that sparked intimidation with its mere mention. But now, a lifeless, empty void with the exception of the Maize Rage [admittedly a very good student section, despite its small size] and a speckling of people throughout the arena acting as if attending the game was their last resort as oppose to their first priority. At one point, while the game was still in progress, I was asked by someone in the stands to please lower my voice (I was talking to my friend, not cheering for Michigan). It's a sporting event, not an opera. How pathetic!!!

In my three years as a Michigan State student I have never known a football or basketball game that was not sold out, even in the face of mediocrity Spartans have stayed true to their team. Wolverines do not, forgetting their team in less successful times, but then gaining the tenacity to boast to the world how great they are in times of great success. And you Michigan fans wonder why you're hated?!

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Anonymous

October 9 2005, 16:48:51 UTC 6 years ago

34 - 31

Go Blue.

Anonymous

October 22 2005, 19:47:39 UTC 6 years ago

Do you hate Northwestern too?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Anonymous

April 10 2006, 17:04:12 UTC 6 years ago

sorry Bob...go blue

This is your bud KJ. You make some valid points, and a decent amount of Michigan fans disturb me, but much of this arrogance displayed by UM fans toward MSU fans is definitely warrented. As it stands today, MSU is probably in a tie for third as UM's biggest rival, far and away behind OSU, a close third to Notre Dame, and tied with Penn State. I don't see how this arrogance is not warrented, Michigan is in a completely different class then MSU, arguably the most storied program in the history of college football (although I would say top 4). If MSU could pull out a win more than once every 6 years (and not cheat ala the clock incident), they could move up UM's rivalry list, but would still be in a distant second to the Bucks. As it stands Michigan States football program is a complete joke, dispite having a top 3 rated quarterback nationally. I would give up hope now for this year, as a win at the Big House is extremely unlikely.
Although I did not attend Michigan, I grew up going to nearly every football and basketball game all the way thru high school, due to one parents enrollment there, along with multiple other relatives. I chose not to even apply to UM simply because I wanted to enjoy college instead of spend my time studying relentlessly with a bunch of dorks. I do not fit in any of your categories, and I know many more that would fit in a category like mine.

You do have the basketball argument in your favor, but be prepared for a nice step backward over the next year or two before you regain any type of dominance in the Big Ten. Although the state of UM's basketball program is terrible, I have remained a loyal fan year in and year out. Michigan proved to be an equally talented team this year, amazing considering MSU's far superior Facilies, coaching staff, and inroads with high school coaches across the state landing them one blue chip prospect after another. Remember, MSU sported 3 first round NBA picks vs. one borderline NBA player on UM's roster in D. Horton. It's a mystery to me why MSU was not considered a bubble team as UM was, a win over BC...awesome, not to mention a loss at Hawaii. You better hope Shannon Brown can score 30 a game this year or you are in for another season split with the wolvies and a good shot at missing the tourney. Although the state of UM's basketball program is terrible, I have remained a loyal fan year in and year out.

Just wanted to let you know that there are respectable UM fans out there. I know more about UM's athletics then most will ever know about anything to do with MSU. But then again, I can see why it would be hard to pay that close attention to MSU football given at least 5 garunteed choke jobs per year vs. the Northwesterns and Rutgers of the college football scene. Let me know what you think...later...kyle

Anonymous

May 13 2006, 16:22:52 UTC 6 years ago

Re: sorry Bob...go blue

Kyle,

Sorry it took so long to reply to this, I've been busier than you could possibly believe over here with my new job.

To make my point clearer:

I draw back on our high school experiences. Milford was decent at just about everything (except football) when we attended. Milford and Rockford would shoot it out almost every year for the Cross Country state title and Brighton was a formitable opponent at just about everything, but I ask any Milford alumnist who our arch-rival was and almost without exception you will hear Lakeland. Though we can all agree that Milford was in a league of it's own in most sports.

The point is that here in Michigan, the rivalry is something that moves beyond just athletics, which is not the case with any of the other schools you have mentioned with the probably exception of Ohio State. All throughout our state Michigan and Michigan State fans take swipes at eachother's schools, mascots, fight songs, academic programs, you name it. It's a special kind of rivalry. When Michigan fans downplay it and claim it doesn't matter as much, it comes off as not only untrue, but also extraordinarliy arrogant. The football game is what measures this all. Because for all the other things that are argued between Michigan and Michigan State fans, it cannot be measured who has a better campus, a better mascot, a richer heritage, better academic programs. But it can be measured who wins or loses a football game and it is all of these things that are at stake when this happens. The Michigan-Michigan State game is far more than just a football game, but I maintain that the vast majority of Michigan fans have their heads too high in the clouds to realize that, and really I pity them, because even in defeat it's a very special thing to be a part of. I wish I would have made this point clearer in my original column.

I appreciate your loyalty to Michigan basketball and respect it. But that being said, to call our two teams in this most recent season equals is anything but fair. Let me first point to the game in which Michigan prevailed at Crisler Arena. Michigan's trips to the foul line tripled those of Michigan State's. No matter what side you are on, you must admit that a case can be made that officiating was a factor. But even with that advantage, Michigan was only able to eek out a 5 point victory, which apparently was a feat worthy of the Maize Rage rushing the floor.

But even setting the officiating impacts of that game aside, when you pan to the game at the Breslin Center, to call that game anything other than a dominating Michigan State Spartans victory would simply be short sighted. At no time in the last 33 minutes of the game to Michigan even have a prayer of pulling the game to a respectable margin and trailed by more than 15 for almost 2/3 of the game. These are not the statistics of equals.

As for Michigan State being a bubble team like Michigan, I reacted to that comment the same way I did when I heard Coach Amaker say it, which was I almost broke something! Michigan State beat BC, great. But that is grossly short-changing what the Spartans did. Their schedule this year was unprecedented. They played 14 seperate ranked opponents, three of them on neutral courts and defeated 7 of them. You forget to mention a triple overtime loss to Gonzaga on neutral turf, a win over Illnois on neutral turf and the fact that Michigan State had, BY FAR, the most brutal Big Ten schedule of any other team in the league. I stress that at one point during our season we played 5 consecutive games against top 25 opponents!

Now take Michigan, you're talking about a team that played a non-conference schedule nowhere near as difficult, had an RPI nowhere near as high, had an abysmal record away from Crisler Arena and lost to an inferior team in the first round of the Big Ten tournament. Michigan and Michigan State's records were similar, yes. But when you look behind the numbers, you can see why on team was invited to dance and the other was placed on the waiting list.

[info]bridgetezaby

July 17 2008, 06:44:43 UTC 3 years ago

I’ve only worked here a few months and it’s my first job so I’m so nervous about finding a new one so soon.

Anonymous

October 31 2007, 18:30:19 UTC 4 years ago

You have serious issues, dude

M = Mindless

S = Subervient

U = Underlings

that's why you have such a deep-seated inferiority complex, pal.

Anonymous

November 4 2007, 00:40:51 UTC 4 years ago

Re: You have serious issues, dude

so, what year did you graduate?

Anonymous

November 11 2007, 07:52:52 UTC 4 years ago

Re: You have serious issues, dude

What the hell is "Subervient"? Now I know dissing someone for their spelling is a little bit on the weak side, but come on...if you're going to make a three word acronym out of MSU, at least spell the three words correctly...

Anonymous

November 4 2007, 00:32:06 UTC 4 years ago

um msu

Having been a Spartan my whole life, and having to deal with both kinds of Michigan fan (students and hanger-ons) my whole life, I have found their gloating intolerable. In the dark days (and there have been many) when we lost to Central Michigan I had to deal with call after call from my Michigan friends. During the Fab Five we had to endure books and press releases (what championship did they win?), and of course their football program, victory year after year with an occasional taste for us Spartans. But, when Appalachian State handed Michigan their hat you would have thought the world had come to an end. You might of well end the college season now. I have never seen fans ditch their team quicker; unable to deal with the lose, but with today’s victory over my Spartans once again the Michigan fans are back and I am sure we will hear the familiar calls from Michigan fans for the whole state to get behind the state’s winning program once again. As Spartans we will be asked to forgo our rivalry interest and root for the winning program (if you don’t believe me just check the letters to the editor of the Detroit News and Free Press as the Ohio game approaches). And as hard as this is for me to say, as a Spartan, there is some validity to the argument. Cheering for the underdog can be taxing, and while the occasional victory can seem very sweet it never sustains the bitter taste of year after year defeats. So, I think it is time we Spartans take a lesson from all those, non alumni, Michigan fans who hang on to the team because of its winning football program. We need to feel the satisfaction of victory by getting behind such a program------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------GO BUCKEYES
(Nothing pisses off a wolverine more than a Spartan backing the Buckeyes)

Anonymous

November 11 2007, 03:26:29 UTC 4 years ago

Re: um msu

I don't think you realize that Ohio State thinks MSU is a bunch of hacks just like U of M does! While the Buckeyes actually respect U of M, they will tell you to take a hike because in the end, unless you go to one of these two schools, you have no clue what the Ohio State U of M rivalry is really like. As for the whole rivalry between UM and MSU, it doesn't exist. We have enough rivalries that actually mean something to us, get over it.

Anonymous

November 8 2007, 08:09:19 UTC 4 years ago

Why Michigan rules

We spell it alma MATER.

just kidding. just use spell check next time.

But your post about michigan could apply to any school. I mean really was there such a thing as a USC fan before 2000? Half of those fans are Californians that can't deal with the disappointment of UCLA. At least I can respect UCLA fans for their loyal support.

But as a Michigan grad, what I got to say about Sparty nation is that a lot of you guys bring it on yourself. We cherish a victory against MSU as much as we do against PSU or Wisconsin or Iowa. The reason we rub it in is because YOU make it a big deal. I understand that the in-state rivalry makes it a more unique game than let's say, Indiana, but for Michigan it's another game on the road to a possible Big 10 championship. Michigan has won 77 or 78 times in the last 100 years. That's 3 of 4. Not really much to get too worked up for.

As bad as the App. St and Oregon losses were, those two losses and the subsequent turnaround defines in many ways the character of Michigan's football teams. Lesser teams would have crumbled, unable to salvage any semblance of a successful or even mediocre season. I have watched State's football team shoot themselves in the foot time and time again because of their attitude and lack of mental toughness. How many times have the Spartans started 4-0 or 5-0 then lose a close game to a Big 10 opponent and then blow the whole season. And then, you guys wait for the UM game to roll around and get all hyped up with your .500 or below record. Seriously, you expect Michigan to take you guys seriously? The reason we respect OSU is because they go week-in and week-out playing quality ball. Even if they lose, you don't see them spiraling out of control. OSU plays for a season while State seems to be playing for a game.

And that is why we don't think the football team is superior. We know that we are.

Anonymous

November 11 2007, 02:51:54 UTC 4 years ago

Re: Why Michigan rules

Yea i like how all you guys think about is playing Ohio state. Like there is no other game in the season. Which is why you didn't even show up to the Wisconsin game and they did nothing but manhandle you.

Anonymous

November 11 2007, 08:14:01 UTC 4 years ago

Re: Why Michigan rules <--at being dickweeds...

And that post is why we don't think UofM fans are a bunch of arrogant assholes. We know that they are.

Three years in a row of losing two games to end the season (OSU and their bowl game)...that defines the character of Michigan's football teams. Care to make if four in in a row, plus one thanks to Wisconsin?

From a Spartan (and yes; graduate of Michigan State University)...GO BUCKS!

Anonymous

September 29 2008, 04:55:24 UTC 3 years ago

Re: Why Michigan rules

I thank you for making my original point better than I possibly could have made it myself, and with such boldness that you identify yourself as "anonymous". Typical Michigan fan...dishing it out without putting any risk on the line of eventually having to take it.

But so far this season, my point has been made yet again. "It's going to be a rebuilding year." The loss to Utah..."we beat ourselves"...the lack-luster performance against Miami (OH) "we're going to be pretty bad this year". The slaughter against Notre Dame "we suck!", and then the come back win against Wisconsin..."GO BLUE!!!"

So I suppose the fact that Michigan has "shot themselves in the foot" by turning the ball over six times in two-games means you no longer have a reason to respect them under your own logic...right?

Yes, Michigan State's football program has had some very challenging times. You say that this is why you don't respect us, and why Ohio State doesn't (you're wrong about Ohio State by the way, the impression I get from them ALWAYS is the enemy of my enemy is my friend). But you miss the most important point, and it's why we make a "Big Deal" out of the Michigan game. It's a reason I don't expect any smelly weasel from Ann Arbor to ever understand, and that is: WE HAVE LOYALTY!

It is a word you Michigan fans need to learn, and in many ways it is the only word in life.

P.S. loyalty lives with you, it is not something that you turn on and off like a radio depending on your team's performance. Since this is a point you, or anyone else at your ALMA MATTER seem to understand, I pity you.

Anonymous

October 4 2009, 17:02:30 UTC 2 years ago

michigan

srry all i heard was bla bla bla michigan roxz
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